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Building, Construction or Structure??? One has to go![edit source]

We've got three words with the same meaning, which quite frankly is a pain in the....rear. >_> Just look at the introduction!

"Building is a gameplay aspect that allows the player to construct objects such as fires and shelters using accessible material. Many damaged structures can be fixed using sap or the Repair Tool once they have crafted it."

Building construct objects damaged structures.........WAT?

I believe we should drop the use of construction, because its not being used ingame and seems to technical for a survival game where we build primitive stuff with wood. O_o
That would mean, that we'll only talk about structures from now on, which we build. Also this page would be solely about the "act" of building things, and the list of structures would be moved to the a new Structure page.
I'm pretty sure this would be the choice. But watcha think? --Himitherz (talk) 20:22, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

I agree, one has to go. Unfortunately, I just placed over 150 images into this Category:Images (Constructions). Though this could be changed it would take some time. Another issue is Building is build, constructing is construct, though structure doesn't have structuring (I am not sure what the term is for this use of words). Construction is also used across many of the build pages for the recipe which would need to change. I am all for reducing the amount of terms, even getting rid of two of them would be good, we only need one term. Maybe the term that's is most flexible would be best suited?.--Farket8238 (talk) 00:37, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, getting ride of two would be nice, but I don't think that'll work. Ingame utility structures, elevated Structures, basic structures and custom buildings are mentioned. The basics of survival also mention building, ("consider bulding a shelter" "build a fire")
Structures is the most flexible noun, but while structuring IS a word nobody would use it normally. I mean seriously, try saying "Hey guys! Look what I'm structuring over here!" with a straight face. xxD
Building isn't as flexible, it's really more about structures you can walk inside, houses and stuff. Calling the tiny stick marker a building sounds strange to me. o_o
But saying "I'm building x" or "Lets build x!" on the other side is perfectly normal. So we've got the verb
In the end, I believe we're best of with dropping the use of the construction term in all it's forms, even if it's a lot of wiki work. >_<
Well if we're really going to drop two, I suppose we should leave building. It's somewhat strange to call all those little things buildings, but it's miles better that talking about structuring stuff. But maybe a native speaker would see this different. o_o If only one would read this, maybe I should just copy this talk page somewhere to steam and see if I can get a couple of opinions. --Himitherz (talk) 18:43, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
Guess we went kinda off-topic in the Custom Building Discussion, so I'll continue here. Well, since you created the Category:Building, I suppose we'll drop both construction and structure as much as possible. I would've been fine with keeping structures too, since they're mentioned ingame, but it doesn't really matter as long as the construction term is gone. It really was unneeded. Too bad we couldn't get more opinions, but watcha gonna do. >.< --Himitherz (talk) 16:02, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
I am running a bot now so it can easily be changed again. It took awhile for you reply so I went ahead and made the change. Is there a need for having two categories though? I went with building because it can be used as different variations, build, built, building, buildable, build on, built on, etc. Structure is too limited for this. Though that is a good point as it is probably mentioned in the game, I would of thought you would preferred it this way with the amount of cleaning you've been doing to the Wiki.--Farket8238 (talk) 00:51, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
Just realized you had replied lol, I didn't see it. --Farket8238 (talk) 00:57, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
Yeah took me some time to reply. I'm on a forced break for now, because gamepedia has been a pain in the butt since that amazon-something hosting server change. I often get the cloudflare error recently and pages load with turtle speed at best. When I just came here trough the link in the notification email, gamepedia had to check whether or not I'm a DoS attacker for like 10-15 seconds. >_> I can't do all the fast-paced cleaning work like that and I'm somewhat bad a writing articles, because I'm way to fussy and take literally hours. I don't wanna know how many hours it took for that little Mountain Area page.
Regarding keeping structure, too. There wouldn't be a need for two categories. The only category would be Category:Structure. It would be like this: crafting an item <-> building a structure
Building a Building sounds awful, it's almost like calling crafted items crafts and telling people to craft crafts. (now that was a weird sentence O.o)
The Building page would be about the process of building and would include a list of buildable structures. A new Structure page would be basically the same as the Item page and list all structures, which could also include non-buildable like maybe the cannibal effigies or tents, village huts, sleeping bags and whatsoever. And who knows if cannibals won't start building their own little bases in later game versions.
Also....OMG WE HAVE A BOT NOW WEEEE! xD Gotta check that out, but only when gamepedia stops with the bull**** and starts working normal again. ^^' --Himitherz (talk) 16:30, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
EDIT: LOL! I just have to add this...I just tried to check the changes on the Building page, and suddenly THIS came up after 30 seconds of loading. I'm blue da ba dee da ba daa... --Himitherz (talk) 16:38, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
Yeah apparently the servers are under severe attack, so they have added additional protection. It is rather annoying. I am getting the cloudflare stuff too, its a buzz kill. Yeah, it takes me awhile to write articles too. Probably because we both like to make sure its as accurate as possible. Though I must admit I have become lazier than I was before. Just takes so long.
Yeah the whole structure thing does make sense. It can be done though I want to avoid having duplicates. Would buildings be class as buildings and structures? What separates buildings from structures? I think it may head down a road of duplicates if not done correctly. Maybe something like category:buildings (shelter) then for game world ones we could have something different such as category:buildings (world) or something.
The bot is something I am running from my computer. Its called wikibrowser if your interested though I think only admins can run them, not sure. They seem quite intense. I know this structure/building stuff is important to you though it has taken some time to fix up the changes you made. I have spent about 4-5 hours fixing up items to item, tools to tool, constructions to building and the images constructions to images building, as well as the deletes. I think the building/structure thing is not important yet unless you have a full plan for it that works and doesn't create duplicate categories again. We need to avoid double handling pages because it wastes time. Cheers--Farket8238 (talk) 06:50, 21 November 2017 (UTC)